Salt Water Flow Cell Car Gets European Approval

Quant e sportlimousine electric limousine 2014 GenevaA car which uses an electrolyte flow cell power system is now certified for use on European roads. The car is called the Quant e-Sportlimousine, which made its debut at the 2014 Geneva Motor Show.

Not only does this car use salt water as a part of its NanoFlowcell technology, but it is claimed that the car has peak power of 920 horsepower (680 kW), 0-62 mph (100 km/h) in 2.8 seconds and a top speed of 217.5 mph (350 km/h).

“We are delighted as pioneers to be able to present an automobile driven by flow cell technology on public roads, and one which achieves not only fantastic performance values but also zero emissions, a projected top speed of over 350 km/h (217.5 mph), acceleration from 0-100 in 2.8 seconds, a torque of four times 2,900 Nm (2,139 lb-ft) and a range of more than 600 km (373 mi)” said Nunzio La Vecchia, the visionary behind the development of the sports car.

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After an in-depth inspection of the car, the German TÜV Süd in Munich handed over the official registration plate, now the company will be able to test the car on public roads in Germany and Europe as the company prepares for series production.

The flow cell system powering the Quant e-Sportlimousine’s four electric motors develops electricity from the electrochemical reaction created by two electrolyte solutions. This electricity is forwarded to super capacitors where it’s stored and distributed.

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In an interview, La Vecchia stated the benefits of the NanoFlowercell system; “The power density of the nanoFLOWCELL® at 600 W per kilogram or per litre is greater than any comparable system; five times greater, to be specific. That means you can drive five times further with our system than you can with a conventional battery system, including the most state-of-the-art lithium-ion batteries. The system is also extremely safe to operate and environmentally friendly. Most importantly, since there are almost no moving parts and it produces negligible waste heat, it has an efficiency of more than 80%. There has never been anything like it.”

Hopefully the company will take the NanoFlowcell technology beyond supercars, bringing it down to more affordable cars, however the potential of this technology reaches far beyond the road.

“We’ve got major plans, and not just within the automobile industry,” says NanoFlowcell AG Chairman of the Board Prof. Jens-Peter Ellermann. “The potential of the NanoFlowcell is much greater, especially in terms of domestic energy supplies as well as in maritime, rail and aviation technology. The NanoFlowcell offers a wide range of applications as a sustainable, low cost and environmentally-friendly source of energy.”

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  • Mathew Lindau

    Yes please – we can only hope that this is the way forward, and the oil companies and powers that be do not try to put a leash on this kind of idea and implementation – we could ALL benefit from this globally, let alone just the european populace

  • Ben Bennett

    This is outrageous performance! The single biggest hold down to electric cars is of course their range, with the second being the ability of even the newest batteries to supply enough current to the drive motors. Capacitors are capable of dumping their entire load in milliseconds if the motors wanted/could handle it. That’s why there is such extreme torque. 2139PF – WOW. That’s more torque then your average Freightliner
    semi makes. And because it’s electric, full torque availability starts at 0 rpm.
    My only concern is safety. As the capacitors can supply such mega current, if there is a wreck and the + and – terminals manage to get shorted by something metal there WILL be one heck of a flash and explosion. Much akin to a high line explosion on a telephone pole.
    I’m not knocking this breakthrough at all, and would give body parts to own one of these hot rods. I was just stating one thought in the back of my twisted mind…

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  • Bacil Hiiri

    The Salt water are Vanadium salts, Vanadium compounds are considered toxic. The battery is produced by big mining companies, who also happen to mine for Uranium too.

    “All vanadium compounds should be considered toxic. Tetravalent VOSO4 has been reported to be over 5 times more toxic than trivalent V2O3.[73] The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set an exposure limit of 0.05 mg/m3 for vanadium pentoxide dust and 0.1 mg/m3 for vanadium pentoxide fumes in workplace air for an 8-hour workday, 40-hour work week.[74] The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) has recommended that 35 mg/m3
    of vanadium be considered immediately dangerous to life and health.
    This is the exposure level of a chemical that is likely to cause
    permanent health problems or death.[74]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium#Mammals_and_birds

  • TJLeeWilliams

    This car is not powered by saltwater. It runs on PEOPLE! It’s why they started Obama care! Death Panels! No more chocolate chip cookies. They ground grandma up. Buy stock in Nabisco! I told a scientist god put the aaawl in the ground, and he said it was dinosaurs. I said my granddads a dinosaur could you run a car offa him? He looked me square in the eye, and said “We already are.” It was bone chillin’. One of these things past me the other day, and the exhaust smelled like old lady perfume and hard candy. Also, the author looks like a school shooter in their photo. The creepy kid next door who use to set shit on fire in the woods out back. Get a haircut you little fuckin’ psychopath!

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  • Ryan Tippens

    Ok..now make one that isn’t ugly has hell like the one in the story ….don’t know about you but I don’t need to go 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds and go 200 mph….

  • CCE

    Well, anybody ever see the engine that runs on just regular water? And I’m not talking battery power.

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  • HollywoodHick

    I guess the price of saltwater will go to about $4.00/gallon.

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  • Dam Spahn

    It doesn’t run on salt water any more than my Prius runs on lithium. Sounds like it is a FAST electric vehicle! This battery technology needs to be protected and developed; it could be the genesis of an affordable, ubiquitous drive battery.

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  • ANTHONY BELL

    Amusement rides have used a salt water drive as a variable resistor to increase or decrease speed of d/c motors..Although outlawed in most states now they all worked quite good without the electrical power required to run without the salt drive system both require electrical power .I can see where this crossed with tesla could be possible .I question whether it could be compact enough to be useable?

    • Chris Muir

      A resistor is not a power source, it restricts the flow of electricity, and converts part of the electrical power into heat or another form of energy. Using salt water as a resistor is a bad idea, as it produces flammable and potentially explosive hydrogen gas and sodium hypochlorite, also known as bleach. Not only is that dangerous, but such a resistor would fail in a relatively short time.

  • http://alithome.blogspot.com Ali Karim

    Dear German TÜV Süd:

    Congratulations on this product. We sincerely hope this car makes its way into market. But we are also worried, that the Oil companies and Banksters may buy out this company, product and design and get rid off it. It has been speculated that such had happened on the past with Nicola Tesla and another private inventors. The Banksters make more money from Oil, Wars and Pharmacies. Please merge with Tesla Group and open your plants all over Asia.

    • Mike

      Ali Karim.

      All memes in one post. Merging with Tesla isn’t about to happen…and it’s not for the reasons you so yawningly outline above.

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  • Bob

    Why didn’t you post my previous comment that explained that this car does not ‘run on saltwater?’

    The comment is below:

    This is not a car powered by saltwater. Either the author is deliberately misleading us for clicks, or he didn’t bother to do any research at all. I don’t understand why people call themselves Journalists anymore when they just copy and paste stuff that they want to believe, instead of doing actual journalism.

    I did some “major research” on this, i.e., I used Bing (not even Google) to search for “Quant e-Sportlimousine” and found an article from March about the car and the fuel cell. Here is a link to the article and a link to a YouTube video explaining how the battery works. It is an electric car that needs charging with a different battery technology. They say, “while the battery is being charged… .” Not once in the article do they mention the word “saltwater.”

    www DOT autoblog DOT com/2014/03/05/quant-e-sportlimousine-video-geneva-2014/ youtu DOT be/0Uk0GQNgtqg (replacing the DOTs with a period, needless to say)

    The author states that his title is “Director of Exposing The Truth”, but it seems it should be “Lazy Director of Misleading the Public.” Your site has the word “Intelligent” in it, and your title has “Truth.” What where you thinking?

    • Aaron Jackson

      We did

      • Bob

        Do you really believe that this car runs on saltwater? i.e., you fill it up with salt water.

        • Aaron Jackson

          No, it is a component of the flow cell battery, that the creator explained works like a redox flow cell.

          • http://www.graphicbob.com/ graphicbob

            Right, so, you’re saying that the car DOESN’T ‘run on saltwater’ as your headline and article has suggested. And even though you’ve convinced half of the commenters here that this car is an example of humanity finally developing some sort of cold fusion, in actuality, the car runs on electricity [from a battery charged mostly by fossil fuel powered energy grids, that happens to have a little salt and water inside of it, which may or may not make it more efficient]…..very compelling…I’m glad you got the clicks you were looking for from the misleading headline and article.

          • Aaron Jackson

            The headline might not specify what it means, but the salt water is still required for it to run, it runs on a salt water flow cell, like any battery the electricity is as a result of the chemical reaction. I don’t see how the article is misleading, it should even clean up those that are confused about the title.

          • http://www.graphicbob.com/ graphicbob

            Don’t be silly. It’s obvious based on a lot of comments that the readers of this article are under the impression that the car uses salt water as fuel. They are even going so far as to object to how this technology will affect the sea level and salinity of our oceans. Read the paragraph from your article (below) and you’ll understand why these readers are that impression: “Not only can this car run on salt water, but it is claimed that the car has peak power of 920 horsepower (680 kW), 0-62 mph (100 km/h) in 2.8 seconds and a top speed of 217.5 mph (350 km/h).”

            Your article is misleading. The headline is misleading. Claiming that other articles say the ‘same thing’ doesn’t mean that you are doing a good thing by spreading the myth of a car that ‘runs on salt water’….If you are “intelligent” like your site would suggest, and if you were into the “truth” like your title suggests, then you should have read these other articles, then wrote one with a different headline to clear things up, i.e., “New fuel cell technology maximizes efficiency with salt water”…

            With articles worded like this one, you are helping to create (intentionally?) a culture of people that will, in the future, tell stories of how they are sure there was a salt water fueled engine, but Big Oil and the Government must have bought up all the patents and trashed the technology because it was never released to the main stream.

            Why not just report the truth instead?

          • Aaron Jackson

            Based on the definition of “run”, it still isn’t false. However I have reworded that paragraph, and the title.

          • http://www.graphicbob.com/ graphicbob

            Great move. You’ve exceeded my expectations. Now, I can ‘like’ you on Facebook.

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  • Enzo Ferarri

    Bill,

    Come on fella, quit going on about nothing for gods sake. Do you realise how petty and insignificant the one simple fact you are harping on about looks?

    Gte a grip and enjoy the remote possibility that we may all one dy enjoy a world with no petrol/oil and peanut butter.

    Enzo Ferrari from the grave.

    • Howard Leitch

      I agree, if you read the article it explains how the battery system works using salt water. I don’t find it confusing at all, nor the author. It’s a big step forward in car propulsion design, I hope it succeeds.

  • Laura

    This is amazing! Where can I find more information about this technology?

  • XaurreauX

    I hate to be a wet blanket, but this could mean that 100 years from now we will have a serious desalination problem to go along with the pollution in our oceans. I hope I’m wrong.

  • bob

    This to me is an incredibly terrible idea… sucking oceans dry globally so you can drive around is a really idiotic notion. If it’s purely to charge a fuel cell or battery there are FAR BETTER and much more kinder ways to do so. SEE Joe Holden, Micro Hydro.

    ALSO people need to get a grip on reality. all the money spent on this newer technology needs to start with reverse engineering and COMMON SENSE. Bottom line, zero or close to zero impact environmentally on all fronts.

    This is an asinine waste of time and money.

    • gfg

      You do realize that the ocean is rising, and many places are in danger of being devoured by the seas? If anything lowering the ocean, making fresh water, and collecting salt.. Would be a good thing.

    • 1safechick

      You need to take a course regarding the hydrological cycle. For real! This will NOT suck the oceans dry. It may change salinity, but that would actually be a pretty easy fix – industrially speaking. Just curious, do you work for the oil companies?

  • Andy

    It sounds like this car does not run on salt water, it runs on electricity. The salt water sounds like it is marly part of the ‘battery’, not the energy source. The website talks of charging the electrolyte (assuming google translate was correct!)

    • Bob

      Exactly. This car doesn’t ‘run on saltwater’ and the Author should have known this. He probably does, but a headline like this is what is called ‘Click Bait’. An attempt to get people to his site to increase his analytics, thus charging more for Advertising. So, the author’s title should be changed from “Director of Exposing The Truth” to “Director of Getting More Advertising Dollars with Little or No Regard for the Truth”

    • Charles Tatakis

      Andy, you are right and the description given was so vague it baits lots of questions. The huge question is whether this automobile really has a feasible range between charges.

      • takurospirit

        According to the article above, the power density is apparently 5 times that of the next best comparable battery. In other words the battery could be five times smaller and still provide the same range or at the same weight provide 5 times the range.

    • kenatsun

      Yes, exactly. It’s a different battery, not a different power source. Here’s a video that make this reasonably clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Uk0GQNgtqg

      Sites like this, who ought to know better, need to stop spreading the myth that it’s a “salt water powered car”, giving the impression that you can just drive down to the sea and fill ‘er up. If this car is “salt water powered”, then in the same sense a gas-guzzling SUV is “gas tank powered”.

      • Aaron Jackson

        Seems like a bad example to use, considering an SUV doesn’t use gas for it’s fuel.

        • kenatsun

          By “gas”, I of course meant “gasOLINE”, or “petrol” if you prefer.

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  • David

    Check out the website. They say they are using a flow cell battery to create electricity. The salt water is probably not the same salt water you would find in the ocean (different salts). They also state that it would be filled with the electrolytes via a hose. This would mean that it would likely have two fuel tanks (anolyte and catholyte). An obvious problems is how you create the anolyte and catholyte, transport and store it. If it is to be a viable fuel, we would have to standardize the fuel we are using (now we use diesel, gasoline, propane, natural gas) and there are many different flow battery chemistries out there.

    • El_MUERkO

      It’s not unlike the Honda top gear drove a couple of seasons back, you fill it at a petrol station but instead of petrol you use these chemicals and water, the trick is to make the mass production of the ‘fuel’ more energy efficient than other means of powering a car.

  • Howard

    I’d like to believe in this technology, they’re not specific enough about how the system works to have real faith in it.

    If they do have the technology and it can be mass-produced and introduced into the market in a short time horizon, I’d be rather enthusiastic about it.

    Give me a product I can actually buy and I’ll be impressed. I want to be impressed but I’ve read a lot on the internet and I’ve learned to be really skeptical about claims made but products not delivered.

    • 1safechick

      R&D has to start somewhere.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogerwolsey/ Roger Wolsey

    Holy Gatorade Batman!

  • John Hetlage

    It won’t be able to be used here because of oil company interests which is a shame because the world needs to get away from oil looks like a very good car

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  • Dave

    The following article seem to have actual numbers and technical explanations.
    http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/03/20140305-quant.html

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    • Aaron Jackson

      Fixer upper bridge?

  • Flavio Boner

    Nonsense. this car does nor run on salt water. It uses an electrolytic flow cell battery that must be recharged from a power source, just like every other electric car. You sir, are a douche nozzle.

    • Aaron Jackson

      Like how things are powered by batteries.

      • Bob

        You charge this battery. You plug it in. It ultimately runs on fossil full, coal, or nuclear power, depending on your power company/location. The battery may be more efficient because of some amazing saltwater technology, but this car does not ‘run on saltwater.

        It sounds like you know that based on your “like how things are powered by batteries” comment, which make me curious as to why you posted an article with this headline.

        • Aaron Jackson

          Considering they claim that it “runs on salt water” and lots of other very popular websites have also said that, in the title, it seems acceptable. Just because it could be perceived in various ways doesn’t mean that it is wrong, it is somewhat explained within the article, and explained further in the comments.

  • Big Red

    Finally a working Flux Capacitor .

  • Drake Walker

    Did they send this press release directly to you, Aaron?

    • Aaron Jackson

      No, I found the story and wrote it up from the info provided from a few other websites, including their own, youtube videos and an interview.

  • Bob

    This is not a car powered by saltwater. Either the author is deliberately misleading us for clicks, or he didn’t bother to do any research at all. I don’t understand why people call themselves Journalists anymore when they just copy and paste stuff that they want to believe, instead of doing actual journalism.

    I did some “major research” on this, i.e., I used Bing (not even Google) to search for “Quant e-Sportlimousine” and found an article from March about the car and the fuel cell. Here is a link to the article and a link to a YouTube video explaining how the battery works. It is an electric car that needs charging with a different battery technology. They say, “while the battery is being charged… .” Not once in the article do they mention the word “saltwater.”

    www DOT autoblog DOT com/2014/03/05/quant-e-sportlimousine-video-geneva-2014/ youtu DOT be/0Uk0GQNgtqg (replacing the DOTs with a period, needless to say)

    The author states that his title is “Director of Exposing The Truth”, but it seems it should be “Lazy Director of Misleading the Public.” Your site has the word “Intelligent” in it, and your title has “Truth.” What where you thinking?

    • Aaron Jackson

      Did you watch the video that they provided, that says it runs on salt water? It is included in the article.

      • Bob

        So your researched involved watching a video that doesn’t show any facts? And tells you to imagine a car that drives on saltwater. I believe you misunderstood, based on the other articles that I read about this car and the video I watched explaining how the battery works.

        You watched a video, reposted it, and think that is journalism. You were mislead, and now you are misleading others. You should be ashamed of that if you consider this a news site.

        You don’t put saltwater in the tank of this car.

        • Meegan

          What’s your agenda Bob? Let’s keep polluting the planet, praise big oil? You are what Donald Segretti referred to as a “rat-****er”. Every pro-humanity or progressive event I go to about 5 percent of the people that show up are like you. Why not care about the planet instead of shilling for big business? Are you really trying to protect us in the ways of journalistic integrity? And we should heed your warning filled with facts because….? Get real.

          • Chris Muir

            You never stopped to consider that you might be wrong? There is very good reason for skepticism here, people who understand science realize that salt water isn’t a power source, and the explanation given is both wrong and misleading. “600 W per kilogram or per litre” is a measure of power density, not energy density, and does NOT mean ” you can drive five times further”. To do that, they’d need a five times improvement in energy density, and that is NOT the case. For cars, power = acceleration, energy = distance.

          • Aaron Jackson

            The guy I quoted is from Switzerland, the car was setup and approved in Germany, English could be his 2nd or 3rd language easily, it definitely isn’t his first.

        • Aaron Jackson

          That isn’t what I did, if you read some of my other comments you’d see that I looked at the specs listed on their website, read other articles about the car from various sources, watched a few interviews with La Vecchia and found one in text form, which is quoted.

  • Jeff Stanford

    Moron:
    5 times less than 8 is simply 8 divided by 5 which is 1.6. Also, notice how I spelled Divided? You also got that wrong when spelling division as ‘devision’, moron!
    Turn off your modem and your Windows 95 and go have a nappy and leave the rest of us alone. Also, it’s spelled ‘Five’ not ‘ fife’. Oh, and one more, 5 time neg 7 is neg 35. Five times bigger or greater than something of value actually is a quantifiable, measurable amount.
    Go away!

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  • http://thelongroadahead.net BILLGETREAL

    Bill mate, are you fucking dreaming? Go back to your blackboard you wise man wannabe

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  • Matthew

    Just like any other wild claim, I’ll assume it’s in theory until an independent review is done.

    I don’t see why, considering that they have registered and copyrighted the process, we aren’t given details on how the system operates. Even basic ones.

    Also, those HP numbers leave me skeptical at best.

    • Chris Muir

      I noticed they have confused power density with energy density. “power density” determines the performance and acceleration, while “energy density” determines the endurance and distance it can travel. Their flow cell may have high power density for great acceleration, but flow cells tend to have relatively low energy density, which means this car won’t go nearly as far as they claim.

      • Aaron Jackson

        Bear in mind that English isn’t his first language.

  • Rene K

    I people just take a look at their site it says it can go up to 600km to date.

    Only “problem” I see with this is control of the fluids that is car uses, and that means the cost will not be as low as it should be.

    The only car I would be interested in is a car working on hydrogen, where it works with tapwater to sea water. This redox cell system is to complex and as usual makes the consumer dependent on someone, and as usual makes someone rich in the process…

    • Chris Muir

      The problems with hydrogen is that it is extremely bulky and difficult to store, leak prone, and requires lots of energy to produce. Also, a hydrogen fuel cell is much more complex than a flow cell, as it has to regulate the flow of high pressure hydrogen, bring in air for oxygen, regulate moisture and control the flow of waste water. The two pumps and three tanks for a flow cell is far simpler.

  • http://cxifilms.com Patryck Jordan

    Great article. Fascinating technology.

  • Steak

    This is a good article. But the title is somehwhat misleading cuz they only mentioned the cell contents were water, metallic salts and crystalline structures. Sea water fit the criteria but they didnt mention it being similar to sea water. But your article made me want to learn more bout the flow cell. Will share this. But please add the sources for the ‘sea water’ part yeah. Cheers.

    • Aaron Jackson

      They have provided limited information themselves, they even stated the patents are private and they want to keep some mystery about how it works. I said salt water, not sea water.

  • dennis kuker

    This article is a bit short on details. The U.S. Navy is also looking into saltwater power ships. Short on details also, hmm, wonder why? Sounds like science fiction, futuristic babble. Jet fuel from seawater? Before you criticize, analyze. Look it up.

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  • James Prumm

    Remember the old saying about something sounding too good to be true…?

    Pinch of salt on this one, until they can prove their claims.

  • http://slrman.wordpress.com James Smith

    Even if this should turn out to be a hoax or there are factors involved that makes it less dramatic than claimed, the big thing is that here’s another story about electric cars moving forward despite the foot-dragging efforts of GM and other “big” car companies.

    Other companies, such as Tesla, and even smaller tinkerers are making progress. Sometimes very small steps but incremental ones that will eventually render the ICE for surface transportation obsolete.

    Whether there will be other environmental problem from electric vehicles remains to be seen. One I see, although more subtle than CO emissions, is heat pollution. All energy creation and use results in heat . If you consider the effect of the billion or so car in use today the heat output from simply using them is considerable. That isn’t counting the heat from building them and creating their fuel.
    Making and charging battery packs might not be much different.

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  • http://www.thedruidsanctuary.com Einder

    Not a bad Article, however I have the feeling that the rights to this vehicle will be bought by one car company or another, and then shelved until a time when they have no choice but to release it. If that time ever comes.

  • Travis

    Never mind the car, I want to run my house on saltwater!
    If this were true wouldn’t it utterly destroy the energy industry? Half the worlds richest would suddenly own nothing but millions of barrels of pollutants. XD

  • http://botrax.com Botrax

    Search “Burning Salt Water inventor ” on Youtube. There is definitely energy to harness in salt water.

    Burning Salt Water inventor

    • http://botrax.com Botrax

      Burning Salt Water inventor

    • Chris Muir

      Basically a matter of putting energy in and getting some of the energy back out. Not quite the breakthrough they pretend it is.

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  • Doris

    With that kind of horse power, I hope they plan on putting it on farm tractors.

    • Aaron Jackson

      920hp they claim.

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  • Niro

    You all seem to have misunderstood this technologi. The salt water STORES the electrical charge, it doesn’t create it. It’s just a more efficient storage medium (so claimed) as lithium-ion. It’s water-ion. You still charge it up using the power grid after a long drive.

  • http://www.blue-planet-project.com/ Gil Carlson

    I heard that the aliens are anxious to use this technology in their UFOs!
    http://www.blue-planet-project.com/

  • http://HessForGovernor.com Barry Hess

    Bill. You have got to be among the biggest idiots I’ve ever encountered. You dwell on a negligible point, and neglect the overall result and implications. Good God, I hope that when they let you out of your rubber room, that you don’t get hurt tying your shoes. Geesch! How did the human gene pool get so polluted?

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  • OneSTARman

    I am not sure if it is just a Misunderstanding or a Hoax but there is NO WAY to get Energy from Sea-Water unless you are talking about breaking the water down into Hydrogen to use in a Fuel Cell or maybe to extract Deuterium for a Fusion Reactor (someday)

    • Aaron Jackson

      It’s not a hoax, they haven’t released fully how it works, but it does use a fuel cell, it is electric, they also say there are catalyst components but don’t state what they are, and that it works similar to a redox flow cell.

    • http://www.thedruidsanctuary.com Einder

      Actually you can get energy from sea-water. There was a way to do that a while ago. In fact we discovered that it could generate enough clean energy that we would never need another source. However, it would crash the economy built around fossil fuels so the rights were bought and shelved to never be used. Kinda like the tire that never wears out.

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  • Richard De Vahl Rubin

    The article says it runs on salt water but doesn’t explain how. Does it have a “fuel tank” we have to fill with salt water? How many mpg? Does one have to stay near the beach or carry a pot of salt on board?? Great concept if its practical.

    • Aaron Jackson

      They say it works similar to a redox flow cell, the car is electric, the salt water creates the electricity. I don’t know how it is filled up, if the salt and water are added separately or together, or what the mpg is, because they haven’t released the information.

      • multi-dimension

        well yes “everything is possible”….& i think it is about two electrolyte solution so must be chemically treated. Well Tesla generator is much easier? I have no idea but i am very curious and “lithium-ion” is really eco-friendly?? Its still have some draw-backs but definitely they already experimented, hence must be safe for nature. Any more information about how it is converted into useful fuel, if you know, anytime please explain to me too… :)

      • Ken Dolan

        In the original article it says the car needs 400l to do 600km or 4.2mpg. However, it’s pie-in-the-sky science which reminds me of the Cold Fusion debate/scandal in the Eighties.
        Look up Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann to understand.

      • Damon Hill

        A redox battery is how I read it; no idea at all of the specific chemistry involved. And that’s the big question.

      • Tim Warner

        I’m just wondering if the oil industry will let it be developed.

    • jimL

      If it’s really true, I wouldn’t expect any explanation or show how it works as I suppose the information is proprietary. Otherwise, there would be a lot of eager ears and eyes wanting to know the trade / industrial secret – that is, of course, closely-guarded.

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  • Bill Dewey

    Whoever wrote the article can’t even do second grade math. “five times greater” Is that 6 times as great? Notice the round figure!
    “My product is 5 times better than brand X”.
    Doesn’t mean anything.
    First: according to my second grade teacher, “That’s baby talk. We don’t use that any more”. More clearly from a math perspective; it’s an “undefined term”. Like devision by zero. It doesn’t mean anything.
    Second: Doesn’t work with all numbers; What’s five times more than zero? What’s fife times more than negative 7? What’s 5 times less than 8?
    Third: If you try to define the term “Ten times more than X”, How would you compare it to “Ten times as much as X”?  If we know that X=1 then we know that 5 times as much as X is 5. Then five times more than X is what?
    if X=1
    then More than x may=9. 5 times more than x = 45
    More than x=may = 672. 5 tomes more than x= 3360.
    Five times more than anything could be anything.
    Get real!

    • Aaron Jackson

      You seem mad about nothing, this has nothing to do with me writing it, it is a direct quote from an interview, which is hyperlinked, from the man behind the project, who doesn’t speak English as a first language.

      It is also explained on the very next sentence. Maybe you should contact the company, via their website, with your butthurt claims about math etiquette.

    • multi-dimension

      there are many inventions already happened and happening… Never-mind please, i am too was like you before & well not here to argue with you but if salt water can help our body to detoxify then should be able to generate free energy or electricity. If Tesla, Einstein, Buddha, etc, people can change their minds and make impossible possible, then why not this?? Well wake up, this is 21st century and more humans are literally getting consciousness as stars of this universe and can make up anything, well for humanity sake, then this must be too possible. If you have any new ideas like this please mention, it may help many. One creative mind can change whole structure of this world to original. One have to observe within. .. ;) well positively..!!

      • multi-dimension

        Hello Aaron can you suggest other websites who are after this experiment please, well i am going for post graduation course on solar & renewable energy.

        • Aaron Jackson

          What do you mean by “after this experiment”?

    • scott korotash

      your not to bright eh lol @bill Dewey HAHAHAH

    • http://www.thedruidsanctuary.com Einder

      Considering that you can’t even spell division correctly, I wouldn’t believe anything you have to on the subject.

    • http://beyogasouth.com Drucifer

      You know, there could be someone out there that could turn water into wine, and you would be bitching that it was Merlot and not Cabernet.

      • Old Man of the Sea

        This is a great reply to the nattering nabobs of negativism. When you have a few years of actual prototype and inventive experience under your belt you might begin to appreciate the effort these creations take to bring to market. Since the German government approved the application to test on public roads, one would have to assume the product has merit. IF you weren’t bitching so much about one discrepancy or the other and instead working to try to utilize alternative technologies and bring them to market before the planet dies (soon) you might begin to learn a bit more than to be a critic. You might begin to appreciate the other flavors of wine as well, which is the mature and responsible thing to do. Stop bitching and join the revolution from oil to alternative. And before you tell me to revisit the production of electric power, first investigate Dickbone Cheneys DOE stoppage of nano solar paint and films during the Bush disaster.

    • dennis kuker

      They went to same math class as the IRS

    • http://www.nettsite.co.za William

      If “600 W per kilogram” is 5 times greater than expected, I would imagine that 120 W per kilogram would be expected. Clearly, my maths is not up to your standard, Bill.